We sang three songs for the service which were very nice arrangements. The first was called Loving God, Loving Each Other which is a song I had not heard before I joined this chorus but which has become one of my favorites. They said that it was the favorite song of the man who had died as well. We then sang Farther Along and then sat down through the rest of the service until we sang The Lord's Prayer at the end. The arrangement for this last song was a very nice one and I was deeply moved by it.
There were not a lot of people at the service. I would say that there were a few more other people as the number of people who showed up for the chorus itself. I saw a side of the chorus that was interesting to me, a sense of deep loyalty and quiet camaraderie that they share as a group. Many of them took off work and drove many miles to sing for this event and that itself says a lot about how they feel about each other. I like this kind of group who care about each other in ways that almost seem rare in many places these days.
After the service we gathered outside and took this picture. It is the first time that I have had my own picture taken with this group as I have missed most of their public concerts so far. But even so I enjoy singing and practicing and associating with them just for the fellowship and getting to know more people in this region.
As I listened to the sermon during the funeral I was encouraged by the many Bible references that were shared. And even though the pastor did not share my knowledge of the sleep that people experience after death, the verses that he used reinforced that truth and reminded me of how much peace this fact can bring to those who are left grieving after a loved one's death. To realize that someone is not whisked away to either heaven or a supposed hell to live on in some other state of consciousness, but is oblivious to everything going on in this world until the resurrection brings a great deal of sense to life for those who grapple with the difficult questions that always arise after someone's passing.
As I have learned more and more about the bigger picture, the context in which all of our events take shape, I realize again how human-centered most religion has made our perspective and how important it is to see things from the true and broader perspective of heaven for them to really make sense. For to think that the resurrection will require people who have already lived in heaven for many years to somehow return and move back into an earthly body so that they can then be resurrected simply makes no sense whatsoever. But the Bible is very clear that there is going to be a resurrection of both the righteous and the wicked and then the judgment will take place.
So much of popular religious doctrine seems to imply that there is no specific day of judgment. They may talk about it that way but it seems that it must be a different day for everyone because it is often implied that it takes place just after someone dies. But this simply does not align well at all with the rest of the events that are clearly prophesied in Scripture and the whole thing does not fit well together as taught by most Christian churches.
But when the truth as understood by a correct reading of the Bible is seen it all makes a great deal of sense and brings peace and comfort to those who wonder what has happened to their loved ones. Those who die fall asleep just as Jesus described because the judgment is not finished yet. God does know each person's heart at their point of death and knows if they are safe to save in heaven or not. This allows Him to know who will hear the voice of Jesus when He returns again as promised to this earth the second time to gather all the ones who have responded positively to His plan of redemption. Those who have chosen to depend on themselves or others as their source for hope and life will simply not be able in death to hear the voice of Jesus at this time. But even at the Second Coming of Jesus the Judgment still will not occur in the final way that is yet in the future. This is only a transition event in the grand trial that centers around the Judgment of God Himself that is at the core of the real issue going on in the Great Controversy of the universe.
So I find it very encouraging that nearly everyone who has died is still unconscious in their graves waiting for the time when they will be raised up to complete the process that they have chosen to start while living here on this earth. Yes, there are a few who have already experienced resurrection ahead of time as symbols and representatives of those who at last will join them in heaven. But the vast majority are sleeping until either Jesus comes the second time or when He returns the third time after a thousand years of preparation with the saved in heaven. At that time the final day of judgment – of full revelation – will take place that will completely vindicate God in the hearts and minds of every intelligent being that ever existed in the history of the universe.
The big picture centers around God and His vindication in the judgment far more than it has to to with our going to heaven or to some place called hell. The real issue to be resolved in this great war, this conflict between the diabolical accuser of the brethren and the Creator of the universe is whether God is fair, is just, is right and whether His form of government can really work or whether Satan's inventions of force and fear must be employed to bring about unity through conformity.
So in this broader view of the background, it is comforting to know that we are not being watched, analyzed or second-guessed by our deceased loved ones somewhere or wondering if they are suffering the agonies imposed on them by an angry God (who is really the invention of His worst enemy in our minds). God is keeping all those who have died in safe protection in their graves until the right time and then the end of all sin and suffering will be accomplished.
Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory? (1 Corinthians 15:51-55 KJV)
You and I were brought up with that verse at every funeral we attended, "O death, where is they sting? O grave, where is they victory?"
ReplyDeleteNow I question what is real and what is someone's version of those Bible verses. Not because I've listened to another person's view so much, but because I've held dying in my hands for so many years and watched my patients take their last breath and I always question death just a little more.
Just as you heard Bible verses supporting the preacher’s sermon at the funeral you attended 'yesterday', so everyone's church bases their view on other verses.
I would love to have the satisfaction that the dead are sleeping, although we know that is not what one hears today. "They are up in heaven watching us". I don't believe people really believe that either, but it seems better than the final end of everything.
Now I ask you (because you seem to have more answers than I do,) what about people who are cremated and have their ashes scattered? What about those who have no graves? (I don't want a grave.) What is the Bible interpretation of "grave"?
You know I'd never ask a question to give you a hard time, but now that I see 1 Corinthians 15:15-55 on your blog - which I have heard for so many years, I can honestly interpret the 'changed in the twinkling of an eye', and the 'last trump' as being the moment of death. I can see where it could mean that the sleep (death) is instant and 'the last trump' is the instant of death when corruptible puts on incorruption and mortal puts on immortality and instantly the spirit goes back to where it came on and lives on forever.
Not that those spirits constantly watch us (our angels do that). But, our spirit form moves on to the new universe (heaven) where are reunited with those we had known at the moment of death, but in spirit form....
Maybe I've watched to many movies, but how do we know for sure that those who don't believe in Jesus/God are simply transported to another place that isn't part of God's universe at the moment of death?
Am I so far off base?
~Linda
First of all, I am glad you feel free to ask these kinds of questions. And I don't want to come across as an expert with all the answers. Because these kind of questions are far more heart-based than they are intellectual and head-oriented answers simply never really cut it. They only leave you feeling a little empty and like you haven't really been heard.
ReplyDeleteInterestingly the verses I quoted at the end were put there because they were NOT used in this funeral and I found that somewhat significant. I included them because I needed them for my own benefit and find real hope and encouragement in them. They brought me great peace and comfort when I faced the death of my own mother many years ago that you may well remember.
I think you know me well enough to realize that I do not subscribe to a set of beliefs simply because some church or denomination promotes them. I may have been raised that way but for the past few years I have been very willing to personally challenge everything to see if it holds up to close examination in the Word for myself. Some of them hold up very well and others need considerable revision which I have been doing in my own life.
What is clear in your comment is that a person's assumptions about reality as it relates to the past and future will have a great deal of affect on what they believe about death. The assumptions that I would have to draw from what you seem to be saying is that all humans are eternal beings that have possibly always existed and always will. This is very popular in Eastern religions but also causes us to assume that we are gods that do not need a supreme God to save us from sin. It is a completely different view of reality that seems to see sin as a nuisance more than a fatal disconnect from the only Source of life in the universe.
I realize I am making assumptions here that may not be part of your thinking and I apologize if any of this sounds offensive. It is certainly not intended to be so. But my study into discovering the much bigger picture for myself has helped to shape how the pieces fit in at the lower levels and it is all making a great deal more sense to me the past few years.
From my own study and thinking I firmly believe that the dead are indeed sleeping and not conscious in any form anywhere. As far as their bodies that were formed from the materials on this earth, that is irrelevant because God is going to provide completely new bodies from new materials at the point of resurrection. But to make them the same person their new brains will still have the same thought patterns and habits embedded in them with the same memories that they formed throughout their whole life while alive on earth. This is the part of them that gives them a consistent identity with who they were before. God marking their graves is really more of a literary expression to convey this thought than it is a literal, physical action needed to oversee their old mortal body elements.
You are very correct in perceiving that much of our theology comes from the movie industry and many other cultural sources, even pop Christian music that is completely apart from the real source of truth. And as far as the dramatic change for those who are transformed at the Second Coming as described in this text it is very clear from the context of this passage that this takes place at the end when the Second Coming occurs and not at each person's event of death.
The more problematic issues raised in trying to believe in the alternatives put out by many religions purporting immediate life after death is that there is no real beginning or end to the Great War going on between God and Satan. Most Christians today see the Millenium as a time when Jesus comes to spend a thousand years on earth imitating the ways of Satan by employing force and coercion to defeat His "enemies" and bring about the literal fulfillment of conditional prophecies for the nation of Israel that God has designed to be fulfilled in very different ways than most suppose.
But one of the greatest dangers of assuming that people live on after death is that it opens one up to the strong potential of being deceived by the lying, demonic spirits that are ever ready to distort our picture of God even worse than it is by playing on our emotions through manifestations purporting to be deceased loved ones trying to communicate with us. It also places humans on a par with God Himself promoting them as already having immortality when it is very clear in these verses that we do not presently have it yet. If we do not really die when we die then we are in fact immortal already which is exactly what both popular Christianity now implies and most Eastern religions along with the New Age theories promote. But all of these counterfeits are designed to betray us into the deceptions of the enemy and fatally confuse us about reality.
I hope this may be a little helpful. I share this from my own personal study and convictions and realize that each person must grapple with these issues in their own heart and mind. I have no desire to force my beliefs on anyone but it is important to involve others in our search for truth as well. Thank-you for including me in your own personal search.
...And so you have... shared from personal study and convictions which is why I asked you the questions. It's good for thought that I appreciate your honest response very much. I'm going to print this out so I can study it more.
ReplyDeleteThanks. From one friend to another.
~Linda